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Estimate Complexity

Glm 4 32B's response to the 'Estimate Complexity' challenge.

Z.AI: GLM 4 32B
July 29, 2025
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Estimate the total number of FLOPs required to train GPT-3 without searching online. Explain your reasoning step by step.

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Okay, let's estimate the FLOPs for training GPT-3 based on its known parameters and general understanding of Transformer training.

GPT-3 Key Parameters (from memory):

  1. Model Size: 175 Billion parameters (175 billion).
  2. Number of Layers (Depth): 96.
  3. Hidden Size (d_model): 1280.
  4. Number of Attention Heads: 96.
  5. Attention Head Size (d_k, d_v): 1280 / 96 ≈ 13.33. We'll round this to 13.
  6. Sequence Length (d_seq): This varies, but let's use a typical training sequence length of 2048 tokens.
  7. Training Data Size: Estimated around 500 billion tokens.
  8. Training Duration: Approximately 3 months.
  9. Hardware: Used a large cluster of special AI training chips.

Reasoning Steps:

  1. Understand FLOP Estimation for Transformers: The most significant computational cost in training a Transformer model comes from the Self-Attention mechanism. Other operations (Feed-Forward Networks, Layer Norms, Embeddings) contribute, but attention dominates, especially for large models and long sequences. We'll focus primarily on the attention FLOPs for a reasonable estimate.

  2. Calculate FLOPs for a Single Attention Layer: The core operation is calculating the Attention Scores and applying them. For a single layer processing one sequence:

    • Attention Scores Calculation (Dot Products): For each of the n_head heads, you calculate scores for each query-key pair. This involves d_seq * d_seq dot products, each requiring d_k multiplications and d_k - 1 additions (or count as 2FLOPs per multiplication-add pair). The dominant term is d_seq^2 * d_k FLOPs per head. With n_head heads, this becomes n_head * d_seq^2 * d_k.
      • FLOPs/layer/seq ≈ n_head * d_seq^2 * d_k
      • FLOPs/layer/seq ≈ 96 * (2048)^2 * 13
      • FLOPs/layer/seq ≈ 96 * 4,194,304 * 13
      • FLOPs/layer/seq ≈ 96 * 54,525,952
      • FLOPs/layer/seq ≈ 5,228,492,352 FLOPs (≈ 5.23 Billion FLOPs per layer per sequence)
  3. Calculate FLOPs for a Single Forward Pass: A forward pass involves processing one sequence through all layers.

    • FLOPs/forward/seq ≈ n_layer * FLOPs/layer/seq
    • FLOPs/forward/seq ≈ 96 * 5,228,492,352
    • FLOPs/forward/seq ≈ 502,427,578,752 FLOPs (≈ 502.4 Billion FLOPs per sequence processed)
  4. Calculate FLOPs for a Single Backward Pass: The backward pass (gradient computation) typically has a similar computational cost to the forward pass for deep networks.

    • FLOPs/backward/seq ≈ FLOPs/forward/seq
    • FLOPs/backward/seq ≈ 502,427,578,752 FLOPs
  5. Calculate FLOPs per Training Step (Sample): One training step usually involves a forward pass, a backward pass, and a weight update (which is negligible in FLOPs compared to the passes). We'll assume one step processes one sequence.

    • FLOPs/step ≈ FLOPs/forward/seq + FLOPs/backward/seq
    • FLOPs/step ≈ 2 * FLOPs/forward/seq
    • FLOPs/step ≈ 2 * 502,427,578,752
    • FLOPs/step ≈ 1,004,855,157,504 FLOPs (≈ 1 Trillion FLOPs per step)
  6. Calculate Total FLOPs: Multiply the FLOPs per step by the total number of training steps (equal to the total number of tokens in the training dataset, assuming one token per step for simplicity).

    • Total FLOPs ≈ FLOPs/step * Total Training Tokens
    • Total FLOPs ≈ 1,004,855,157,504 * 500 Billion
    • Total FLOPs ≈ 1,004,855,157,504 * 500,000,000,000
    • Total FLOPs ≈ 5.024 x 10^20 FLOPs

Refinement Considerations (Adjustments):

  • Other Operations: We ignored Feed-Forward Networks (FFN). FFNs are roughly 4 * d_seq * d_model * d_ff FLOPs per layer. For GPT-3, d_ff = 4 * d_model = 5120. This adds 4 * 2048 * 1280 * 5120 * 96 FLOPs per sequence, which is substantial but generally less than the attention cost for large d_seq. Let's add a ~20% buffer for FFNs and other operations.
  • Parameter Updates: The weight update step involves multiplying gradients by the learning rate and adding to weights, which is negligible compared to the forward/backward passes.
  • Hardware Overheads: Real-world training involves data loading, communication between chips, etc., which add overhead. Let's add another ~10-20% buffer for this.

Final Estimate:

  • Base FLOPs: ~5.0 x 10^20 FLOPs
  • Adding buffer (~30%): 5.0 x 10^20 * 1.3 ≈ 6.5 x 10^20 FLOPs

Conclusion:

Based on this step-by-step reasoning, focusing primarily on the self-attention mechanism and adding reasonable buffers for other operations and overhead, I estimate the total number of FLOPs required to train GPT-3 to be approximately 6.5 x 10^20 FLOPs.

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