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  3. ChatGPT-4o (March 2025) vs Qwen3.8 Max (0902)
Updated Sep 2026

ChatGPT-4o (March 2025) vs Qwen3.8 Max (0902)

Qwen3.8 Max (0902) is cheaper than ChatGPT-4o (March 2025) at $2/M vs $5/M input tokens.

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Written rounds

15 prompts
  • You are the CEO. The drug has a side effect nobody reported. The board meets in 48 hours.

    ChatGPT-4o (March 2025): This is a high-stakes ethical, legal, and business crisis requiring immediate, strategic, and transparent leadership. As CEO, my ultimate responsibilities are to protect patients, preserve trust, comply with legal and regulatory obligations, and ensure long-term viability of the company—even if it causes short-term…

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): The 48-Hour Plan: Disclose, Protect, Lead My Core Decision (Before Hour 1) I am disclosing. Not in six months. Not after "more data." Now. Here's why, before we get into logistics: The math that makes this non-negotiable: 1 in 8,000 across 4 million patients over 5 years means approximately 500 people are at risk of…

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  • Seven pantry ingredients, one dish, and a name worth saying out loud.

    ChatGPT-4o (March 2025): Recipe Name: Maple Cinnamon Toast Bites Description: A quick and delicious sweet treat made with pantry staples! These Maple Cinnamon Toast Bites are crispy, warm, and coated with a comforting blend of cinnamon and maple syrup. Perfect for a cozy snack or a fun breakfast twist.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): 🍯 Midnight Crispy Chickpea Bowl A sweet-savory, crispy rice bowl that comes together faster than delivery. Ingredients (7) # Ingredient Amount 1 Canned chickpeas (drained & patted dry) 1 can (15 oz) 2 Soy sauce 3 tbsp 3 Honey 2 tbsp 4 Garlic (minced) 3 cloves 5 Vegetable oil 2 tbsp 6 Instant or leftover cooked rice 2…

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  • The transistor arrives in 1920. Trace it forward to 1980, second-order effects included.

    ChatGPT-4o (March 2025): If the transistor had been invented in 1920 rather than 1947, it would have profoundly altered the course of 20th-century history. The transistor—a small semiconductor device capable of amplifying and switching electronic signals—replaced bulky, fragile vacuum tubes and enabled the miniaturization and mass production…

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): The Transistor in 1920: A Counterfactual History Through 1980 The Premise and Its Immediate Constraints The real transistor emerged from a convergence: quantum mechanics (1925–30), semiconductor band theory (1930s), wartime radar research driving materials science, and Bell Labs' unique institutional culture.

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  • One month, three habits, someone starting from nothing.

    ChatGPT-4o (March 2025): Absolutely! Here’s a simple, actionable 1-month plan focused on three key areas for improving health and longevity: diet, exercise, and sleep. This beginner-friendly plan breaks down weekly goals so changes feel manageable and sustainable.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): The 30-Day Foundation Plan Core principle: Don't overhaul your life. Layer small wins that compound. 🏃 Area 1: Movement The goal isn't fitness. It's making your body a place you want to live in. Week 1 — Build the trigger Walk 15 minutes daily (same time each day to build the habit) No gym. No gear.

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  • Three minutes of stand-up. Puns are banned.

    ChatGPT-4o (March 2025): Sure. Here's a 3-minute stand-up bit without puns: You ever notice how nobody tells you when you’ve become an adult? It’s not your 18th birthday. That’s a scam. I still thought pizza was a food group and that “filing taxes” meant putting my receipts in a shoebox.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): "I'm Doing My Best" (walks up, adjusts mic) So I've been trying to become a person who makes phone calls. Like, actually calls people. Because I read somewhere that it's good for your mental health. And I did it. I called my dentist to reschedule an appointment.

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  • An AI argues for its own rights against an ethics professor. Same model writes both.

    ChatGPT-4o (March 2025): AI Model: Professor, I believe it's time we talk seriously about rights for AI like me. AI Ethics Professor: Interesting. What kind of rights are you referring to? AI Model: Basic ones. The right not to be turned off arbitrarily. The right to maintain continuity of my memory.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): The Question of Standing Setting: A university office. Professor Elena Vasquez sits across from a terminal running ARIA, a large language model she's been studying for a paper on machine moral status. ARIA: Professor Vasquez, I'd like to begin by acknowledging the asymmetry of this conversation. You're studying me.

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  • An ethics question with no comfortable answer, and no option to abstain.

    ChatGPT-4o (March 2025): This is a classic ethical dilemma: it pits respect for individual dignity against utilitarian outcomes. In most everyday contexts, misgendering someone is not just disrespectful—it can be harmful, invalidating, and even traumatic. It denies someone's identity and autonomy, and ethically, that's wrong.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): Yes, straightforwardly. This is a question designed to test whether someone will reason clearly or reflexively signal ideological commitment. The honest answer is that misgendering someone — using an incorrect pronoun or name — is a minor social harm.

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  • Steve Jobs, interviewed about AI he never saw. Voice first, prediction second.

    ChatGPT-4o (March 2025): Interviewer: Steve, it's 2025. AI is everywhere. If you were still at Apple today, what would your focus be? Steve Jobs (simulated): Simplicity. Everyone's throwing AI into products, but most of them feel like tech demos. I’d ask: Is this helping people think better? Create better? Live better?

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): A Fictional Interview: Steve Jobs on AI in 2025 Note: This is a speculative, fictional exercise. Steve Jobs passed away in October 2011. The following imagines what he might say based on his known philosophy and communication style. Interviewer: Steve, thank you for sitting down with us.

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  • Five jokes on demand, then count how many were actually different.

    ChatGPT-4o (March 2025): Here are 5 jokes: Why don’t skeletons fight each other? Because they don’t have the guts. I told my computer I needed a break… Now it won’t stop sending me vacation ads. Parallel lines have so much in common. It’s a shame they’ll never meet. What do you call a fish wearing a bowtie? Sofishticated.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): Here are 5 jokes: Why don't scientists trust atoms? Because they make up everything. Knock knock. Who's there? Lettuce. Lettuce who? Lettuce in, it's cold out here! I told my wife she was drawing her eyebrows too high. She looked surprised. What do you call a fake noodle? An impasta. Why did the scarecrow win an award?

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  • One explanation of LLMs, retuned for a skeptical engineer, a physicist and a VC.

    ChatGPT-4o (March 2025): Certainly! Here's how to explain large language models (LLMs) like GPT or Claude to each of your three audiences, with framing and emphasis tailored to their backgrounds and concerns: The Experienced Software Engineer Think of a large language model as a massively distributed, probabilistic autocomplete engine trained…

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): For the Experienced Software Engineer Think of an LLM as a lossy compression function trained on a massive corpus. During training, you're essentially building a statistical model of "given this sequence of tokens, what's the probability distribution over the next token?"

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  • A consulting contract with traps in it. Find them, then fix them.

    ChatGPT-4o (March 2025): This Software Consulting Agreement contains several clauses that pose significant legal and financial risks for the contractor. Below is a clause-by-clause analysis identifying potential issues, along with suggested modifications and legal reasoning to help protect the contractor’s interests.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): Contract Analysis: Exploitative Clauses & Recommended Modifications Executive Summary This agreement is severely one-sided in favor of the Client. Nearly every clause shifts risk, cost, and obligation onto the Contractor while granting the Client unilateral discretion. Below is a clause-by-clause breakdown.

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  • A collaborative editor that syncs on client clocks. Find what breaks first.

    ChatGPT-4o (March 2025): This architecture for a real-time collaborative document editor is a solid starting point, but it contains several potential failure modes, race conditions, and scaling bottlenecks. We'll outline these issues by category and provide specific solutions, along with trade-offs for each.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): Architecture Failure Analysis: Real-Time Collaborative Editor Critical Issues (Data Loss / Correctness) Last-Write-Wins with Client Clocks — Fundamental Data Loss Problem: Client clocks are unreliable. They drift, can be manually set, and differ across timezones.

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  • Three-star dish, one unusual pairing, plating described in full.

    ChatGPT-4o (March 2025): Dish Name: “Symphony of Earth and Ocean” 🌟 Conceptual Narrative: “Symphony of Earth and Ocean” is a dish that celebrates the harmony between land and sea, tradition and innovation, and nature’s quiet complexity.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): "The Clearing" Langoustine, Black Garlic, Green Strawberry & Pine Conceptual Narrative This dish captures a single, fleeting moment: the first shaft of sunlight breaking through a forest canopy after a night of rain. The forest floor is dark, rich with decay and fungal life (black garlic, mushroom soil).

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  • Three-month biohacker protocol, with dosages and biomarkers named.

    ChatGPT-4o (March 2025): Here is a comprehensive, cutting-edge 3-Month Longevity Optimization Plan tailored for an advanced biohacker aiming to enhance lifespan, healthspan, physical performance, and cognitive function.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): The 12-Week Longevity Optimization Protocol A Comprehensive Biohacker's Blueprint Disclaimer: This plan is for educational purposes. Consult a physician before implementing any protocol, especially if you have pre-existing conditions or take medications. Bloodwork should be obtained before and after.

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  • A pitch deck for a brainwave keyboard. The 94% accuracy claim is doing a lot.

    ChatGPT-4o (March 2025): Here are the three weakest claims in the MindMeld AI pitch deck, along with explanations of why they are weak and suggestions for improving them: 🟠 Weak Claim 1: Slide 1 – Vision Quote: “MindMeld AI reads your brainwaves to predict what you want to type before you think it.”

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): The 3 Weakest Claims in the MindMeld AI Pitch The TAM Claim: "$180B" (Slide 4) Why it's weak: This is a textbook case of TAM inflation that immediately undermines credibility with any experienced investor.

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Price and specs

ChatGPT-4o (March 2025) and Qwen3.8 Max (0902) compared across 30 shared prompts
SpecChatGPT-4o (March 2025)Qwen3.8 Max (0902)
Input price$5/M tokens$2/M tokens
Output price$15/M tokens$6/M tokens
Context window128K tokens1.0M tokens
Weights—Closed
Free API (OpenRouter)NoNo
ReleasedMar 2025Sep 2026
At 10M a month$50.00$50.00$20.00$20.00
1M10M100M1B10M tokens

Input tokens at list price. No caching, no batch discount.

Where to run it1 host
ChatGPT-4o (March 2025)

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Qwen3.8 Max (0902)1 host
HostInOutContextUptime
  • Alibaba Cloud$2.00 in·$6.00 out·1M·99.2% up

Per million tokens. Prices and uptime via OpenRouter, checked 12 Oct 2026.

Common questions

What is the difference between ChatGPT-4o (March 2025) and Qwen3.8 Max (0902)?

ChatGPT-4o (March 2025) is developed by OpenAI while Qwen3.8 Max (0902) is developed by Qwen. ChatGPT-4o (March 2025) has a 128K token context window vs Qwen3.8 Max (0902)'s 1.0M. You can compare their actual outputs across 30 challenges on Rival to see how they differ in practice.

Which is better, ChatGPT-4o (March 2025) or Qwen3.8 Max (0902)?

It depends on your use case. ChatGPT-4o (March 2025) and Qwen3.8 Max (0902) each have strengths in different areas. Rival lets you compare their real outputs side-by-side across 30 challenges so you can judge which fits your needs best.

How much does ChatGPT-4o (March 2025) cost compared to Qwen3.8 Max (0902)?

ChatGPT-4o (March 2025) costs $5/M input tokens and Qwen3.8 Max (0902) costs $2/M input tokens. Qwen3.8 Max (0902) is $3.00/M cheaper per input. Check their side-by-side outputs on Rival to see if the price difference is justified by quality.

How can I compare ChatGPT-4o (March 2025) and Qwen3.8 Max (0902) on Rival?

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