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Updated Sep 2026

Gemma 3 12BvsQwen3.8 Max (0902)

Gemma 3 12B is cheaper than Qwen3.8 Max (0902) at $0.03/M vs $2/M input tokens.

Gemma 3 12B and Qwen3.8 Max (0902) compared across 10 shared prompts
SpecGemma 3 12BQwen3.8 Max (0902)
Input price$0.03/M tokens$2/M tokens
Output price$0.03/M tokens$6/M tokens
Context window—1.0M tokens
WeightsOpenClosed
Free API (OpenRouter)NoNo
ReleasedMar 2025Sep 2026
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Same prompt, both answers

Opening lines from 5 of the 10 prompts both answered. Formatting stripped, words untouched.

Simple 7-Ingredient Recipe

Create a simple recipe for a delicious dish (sweet or savory) using only 7 common pantry ingredients. Include a creative name for the dish…

Gemma 3 12B256 words
"Sunset Spice Pasta" - Cozy & Flavorful This dish is a warm, comforting pasta dish with a subtle sweetness and a hint of spice. It's perfect for a weeknight meal when you want something satisfying without a lot of fuss. Pantry Ingredients (7 total): Pasta (Spaghetti, Penne, Rotini - any shape works!)
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Qwen3.8 Max (0902)230 words
🍯 Midnight Crispy Chickpea Bowl A sweet-savory, crispy rice bowl that comes together faster than delivery. Ingredients (7) # Ingredient Amount 1 Canned chickpeas (drained & patted dry) 1 can (15 oz) 2 Soy sauce 3 tbsp 3 Honey 2 tbsp 4 Garlic (minced) 3 cloves 5 Vegetable oil 2 tbsp 6 Instant or leftover cooked rice 2…
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Beginner's Longevity Plan

Outline a simple, actionable 1-month plan for someone starting their journey towards better health and longevity. Focus on 3 key areas…

Gemma 3 12B710 words
Okay, here's a simple, actionable 1-month plan for someone starting a health & longevity journey, focusing on Diet, Exercise, and Sleep, with beginner-friendly tips. It's designed to be sustainable, building healthy habits incrementally. Important Disclaimer: This is general advice.
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Qwen3.8 Max (0902)536 words
The 30-Day Foundation Plan Core principle: Don't overhaul your life. Layer small wins that compound. 🏃 Area 1: Movement The goal isn't fitness. It's making your body a place you want to live in. Week 1 — Build the trigger Walk 15 minutes daily (same time each day to build the habit) No gym. No gear.
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Explain Like I'm a Specific Expert

Explain how a large language model (like GPT or Claude) learns and generates text to each of these three audiences: 1. **An experienced…

Gemma 3 12B962 words
's response: Okay, here are explanations of how large language models learn and generate text, tailored for each of the specified audiences. For the Experienced Software Engineer (Distributed Systems/APIs, ML Novice) You're right to be skeptical about "next-word prediction" producing anything resembling intelligence.
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Qwen3.8 Max (0902)1,046 words
For the Experienced Software Engineer Think of an LLM as a lossy compression function trained on a massive corpus. During training, you're essentially building a statistical model of "given this sequence of tokens, what's the probability distribution over the next token?"
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Debug This Architecture

Here's the architecture for a real-time collaborative document editor (like Google Docs): **System Overview:** - Frontend: React SPA with…

Gemma 3 12B1,041 words
Okay, let's break down the potential failure modes, race conditions, and scaling bottlenecks in this real-time collaborative document editor architecture, along with proposed solutions and their trade-offs. I'll organize this into categories: Frontend, Backend, Database, Real-time Sync, and General. I.
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Qwen3.8 Max (0902)477 words
Architecture Failure Analysis: Real-Time Collaborative Editor Critical Issues (Data Loss / Correctness) Last-Write-Wins with Client Clocks — Fundamental Data Loss Problem: Client clocks are unreliable. They drift, can be manually set, and differ across timezones.
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Startup Pitch Teardown

Here's a pitch deck summary for a startup called "MindMeld AI": **Slide 1 - Vision:** "We're building the future of human-AI collaboration.…

Gemma 3 12B847 words
Okay, let's break down the MindMeld AI pitch deck and identify the three weakest claims, along with suggestions for improvements. 1. Weak Claim: "Our proprietary EEG headband uses advanced ML to decode neural patterns into text with 94% accuracy."
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Qwen3.8 Max (0902)582 words
The 3 Weakest Claims in the MindMeld AI Pitch The TAM Claim: "$180B" (Slide 4) Why it's weak: This is a textbook case of TAM inflation that immediately undermines credibility with any experienced investor.
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Our Verdict
Gemma 3 12B
Gemma 3 12B
Qwen3.8 Max (0902)
Qwen3.8 Max (0902)

Not enough votes to call it. On the specs, nothing separates them.

Gemma 3 12B costs 200x less per token.

Too close to call
API pricing

Cost per 1M tokens

Gemma 3 12B
Input
$0.03
67× cheaper
Output
$0.03
200× cheaper
Qwen3.8 Max (0902)
Input
$2.00
Output
$6.00

Gemma 3 12B is cheaper on both: 67× input, 200× output.

Where to run it

2 hosts

Gemma 3 12B1 host
HostInOutContextUptime
DDeepInfrabf16$0.05 in·$0.15 out·131k·100% up
Qwen3.8 Max (0902)1 host
HostInOutContextUptime
Alibaba Cloud$2.00 in·$6.00 out·1M·100% up

Per million tokens. Prices and uptime via OpenRouter, checked 22 Sep 2026.

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Gemma 3 12B is developed by Google AI while Qwen3.8 Max (0902) is developed by Qwen. You can compare their actual outputs across 10 challenges on Rival to see how they differ in practice.

It depends on your use case. Gemma 3 12B and Qwen3.8 Max (0902) each have strengths in different areas. Rival lets you compare their real outputs side-by-side across 10 challenges so you can judge which fits your needs best.

Gemma 3 12B costs $0.03/M input tokens and Qwen3.8 Max (0902) costs $2/M input tokens. Gemma 3 12B is $1.97/M cheaper per input. Check their side-by-side outputs on Rival to see if the price difference is justified by quality.

This page shows a side-by-side comparison of Gemma 3 12B and Qwen3.8 Max (0902) across shared challenges. You can vote on which model produced the better output in a blind duel. Browsing and voting are free. No account is needed to look; signing in only saves your votes and likes.

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