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PaLM 2 Chat vs xAI: Grok 4: Which Is Better? [2026 Comparison]
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Updated Jul 9, 2025

PaLM 2 Chat vs xAI: Grok 4

Compare PaLM 2 Chat by Google AI against xAI: Grok 4 by xAI, context windows of 8K vs 256K, tested across 13 shared challenges. Updated April 2026.

Which is better, PaLM 2 Chat or xAI: Grok 4?

PaLM 2 Chat and xAI: Grok 4 are both competitive models. PaLM 2 Chat costs $0.5/M input tokens vs $3/M for xAI: Grok 4. Context windows: 8K vs 256K tokens. Compare their real outputs side by side below.

Key Differences Between PaLM 2 Chat and xAI: Grok 4

PaLM 2 Chat is made by google while xAI: Grok 4 is from xai. PaLM 2 Chat has a 8K token context window compared to xAI: Grok 4's 256K. On pricing, PaLM 2 Chat costs $0.5/M input tokens vs $3/M for xAI: Grok 4.

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PaLM 2 ChatvsxAI: Grok 4

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Why PaLM 2 Chat?

20.4x cheaper overall$0.50/M in · $0.50/M out
xAI: Grok 4 logo

Why xAI: Grok 4?

31.3x more context256K
24 months newerJul 2025
PaLM 2 ChatxAI: Grok 4
Input price
$0.50/M
$3.00/M
Output price
$0.50/M
$15.00/M
Context
8K
256K
Released
Jul 2023
Jul 2025

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The Matrix

The Matrix

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The Dark Side of the Moon

The Dark Side of the Moon

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The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Douglas Adams
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Tokyo

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Portal

Portal

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01

Estimate Complexityreasoning

Tests an AI's ability to make educated estimates based on technical knowledge

PaLM 2 Chat

PaLM 2 Chat

Google · Jul 2023text

To estimate the total number of FLOPs required to train GPT-3 without searching online, we can make several assumptions and perform calculations based on the information available about GPT-3's architecture and training process. Here's a step-by-step explanation of the reasoning:
Step 1: Determine the number of parameters in GPT-3

GPT-3 is a massive language model with 175 billion parameters. Each parameter represents a trainable weight in the neural network, and updating these weights during training requires floating-point operations (FLOPs).

Step 2: Estimate the number of training iterations

The number of training iterations refers to how many times the entire training dataset is passed through the neural network during the training process. Although the exact number may vary, let's assume that GPT-3 was trained for 100 epochs.

Step 3: Calculate the FLOPs per iteration

During each training iteration, the neural network performs forward and backward passes. The forward pass involves computing the output of the network given the input, while the backward pass involves calculating the gradients of the loss function with respect to the network's weights.
For simplicity, we can assume that the forward and backward passes have roughly the same number of FLOPs. Therefore, the total FLOPs per iteration can be estimated by multiplying the number of parameters by 2 (forward and backward passes).

Total FLOPs per iteration = (Number of parameters) x 2

(175 billion parameters) x 2 = 350 billion FLOPs per iteration

Step 4: Calculate the total FLOPs for training

Multiplying the FLOPs per iteration by the number of training iterations gives us the total FLOPs required to train GPT-3.

Total FLOPs for training = (FLOPs per iteration) x (Number of iterations)

(350 billion FLOPs per iteration) x (100 iterations) = 35 trillion FLOPs for training

Therefore, based on these assumptions, we estimate that training GPT-3 without searching online would require approximately 35 trillion FLOPs.

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xAI: Grok 4

xAI: Grok 4

Xai · Jul 2025text

Below, I'll estimate the total number of floating-point operations (FLOPs) required to train GPT-3 from scratch, based on publicly known details about the model (from its original release and related analyses) and standard formulas used in machine learning research for estimating training compute. I'll explain my reasoning step by step, including the assumptions I'm making and why they're reasonable. Note that this is an estimation—exact numbers aren't publicly disclosed in full detail by OpenAI, and real-world training involves optimizations, inefficiencies, and hardware-specific factors that could adjust the final figure. I'm not searching online; this is based on my pre-existing knowledge of large language model (LLM) training.

Step 1: Recall Key Facts About GPT-3

  • Model size: GPT-3 (specifically, the largest variant, often called "GPT-3 175B") has approximately 175 billion parameters. This is the total number of trainable weights in the model.
  • Training data: It was trained on a massive dataset, including filtered Common Crawl data, books, Wikipedia, and other sources. The total number of tokens (subword units used in training) is estimated to be around 300 billion. This is based on the reported dataset size (about 570 GB of text) and typical tokenization rates for models like GPT (where 1 token ≈ 4 characters, leading to roughly 300 billion tokens from that volume of data).
  • Training setup: GPT-3 is an autoregressive transformer model trained using supervised fine-tuning on next-token prediction (essentially, language modeling). It was trained for roughly one epoch (one full pass) through the dataset, which is common for large models to avoid overfitting and due to data scarcity at that scale.

These numbers are widely cited in AI research papers and discussions around scaling laws (e.g., work from OpenAI and DeepMind on model scaling).

Step 2: Understand the Standard FLOPs Estimation Formula for LLM Training

Training a transformer-based LLM like GPT-3 involves:

  • A forward pass: Computing predictions for each token in the input sequence (involves matrix multiplications across the model's layers).
  • A backward pass: Computing gradients to update the model's parameters (via backpropagation).
  • This happens for every token in the training dataset.

A widely used rule of thumb from AI scaling research (e.g., papers like "Scaling Laws for Neural Language Models" by Kaplan et al. from OpenAI) estimates the total training FLOPs as:

Total FLOPs ≈ 6 × P × T

Where:

  • P = number of parameters (e.g., 175 billion for GPT-3).
  • T = total number of tokens processed during training (e.g., 300 billion).
  • 6 is a multiplier that accounts for:
    • Forward pass: ~2×P FLOPs per token (mainly matrix-vector multiplications involving all parameters).
    • Backward pass: ~4×P FLOPs per token (backpropagation is roughly twice as expensive as forward).
    • Total per token: ~6×P FLOPs.
    • This assumes dense operations (no sparsity) and ignores minor overhead like activations or normalization, which is reasonable for estimation.

This formula is a simplification but matches empirical reports for models like GPT-2, GPT-3, and others. It focuses on the dominant compute cost (parameter updates) and doesn't include inference-time FLOPs, data loading, or evaluation— just training.

Why 6? It's derived from counting operations in transformer layers (attention, feed-forward networks). Some papers use slightly different multipliers (e.g., 3× or 4× if only counting multiply-accumulates), but 6× is the standard for total FLOPs in scaling law discussions.

Step 3: Plug in the Numbers

  • P = 175 billion = 1.75 × 10^11
  • T = 300 billion = 3 × 10^11
  • Multiplier = 6

Total FLOPs = 6 × (1.75 × 10^11) × (3 × 10^11)

First, compute 1.75 × 3 = 5.25
Then, 5.25 × 10^(11+11) = 5.25 × 10^22
Finally, 6 × 5.25 × 10^22 = 31.5 × 10^22 = 3.15 × 10^23

So, my estimate is approximately 3 × 10^23 FLOPs (rounding to one significant figure for simplicity, as these are ballpark numbers).

Step 4: Validate and Adjust for Uncertainties

  • Is the token count accurate? 300 billion is a common estimate based on the GPT-3 paper's description of the dataset (45 TB of compressed text filtered down to 570 GB). Token counts can vary with the tokenizer (GPT uses byte-pair encoding), but this is within 10-20% of reported figures. If the effective tokens were higher (e.g., due to repeated data or sampling), it could bump up to 400-500 billion, increasing FLOPs by ~30-60%, but I think 300 billion is conservative and standard.
  • Is the multiplier accurate? Some analyses use 4×P×T (focusing only on multiply-accumulates), which would give ~2 × 10^23 FLOPs. Others include optimizer overhead (e.g., Adam optimizer adds ~10-20% more). I've seen independent estimates around 3.7 × 10^23 FLOPs, which is close to mine—differences could come from including setup costs or hardware inefficiencies.
  • Other factors:
    • Parallelism and hardware: GPT-3 was trained on a supercomputer-scale cluster (e.g., thousands of V100 GPUs). Real FLOPs include communication overhead in distributed training, which might add 10-20% inefficiency, but the formula ignores this for simplicity.
    • Precision: Training likely used mixed precision (e.g., FP16), which reduces FLOPs slightly but doesn't change the order of magnitude.
    • Epochs: If there was any multi-epoch training or warm-starting, it could increase FLOPs, but reports suggest mostly one epoch.
    • Order of magnitude check: Smaller models like GPT-2 (1.5 billion params, ~10 billion tokens) required ~10^19 FLOPs. Scaling up by factors of ~100x params and ~30x tokens gives ~10^19 × 3,000 = ~3 × 10^22, but wait—that's off because the formula is multiplicative. Actually, GPT-2 estimates are lower; adjusting properly lands in the 10^23 range for GPT-3, which aligns with reports of it taking thousands of GPU-years.

If I adjust for potential underestimation (e.g., higher token count or overhead), the upper bound might be 5 × 10^23 FLOPs, but I stick with 3 × 10^23 as the core estimate.

Step 5: Convert to Intuitive Units (Optional Context)

To make this relatable:

  • 3 × 10^23 FLOPs is enormous—equivalent to a high-end GPU (e.g., 10 TFLOPs/second) running continuously for about 1,000 years (rough calc: 10^13 FLOPs/sec × 3 × 10^7 sec/year × 1,000 years ≈ 3 × 10^23).
  • In terms of energy, this might consume gigawatt-hours of electricity, but that's beyond FLOPs.

Final Estimate

Based on this reasoning, I estimate the total FLOPs for training GPT-3 at around 3 × 10^23. This is consistent with what I'd expect from scaling laws and matches informal discussions in the AI community. If new details emerged (e.g., exact token counts), it could shift by a factor of 2, but the order of magnitude (10^23) is solid. If you have additional details or want me to adjust assumptions, let me know!

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02

Logic Puzzlereasoning

Tests an AI's ability to solve a simple but potentially confusing logic puzzle

PaLM 2 Chat

PaLM 2 Chat

Google · Jul 2023text

Sally has 2 sisters.

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xAI: Grok 4

xAI: Grok 4

Xai · Jul 2025text

Based on the details in the riddle, Sally has exactly 1 sister.

Quick Explanation

  • Sally (a girl) has 3 brothers. That's straightforward.
  • Each of those brothers has exactly 2 sisters (female siblings).
  • This can only be true if there are exactly 2 girls in the family total (Sally + 1 more).
  • Therefore, Sally herself must have exactly 1 sister (the other girl).

Family Breakdown

  • Boys: 3 total (Sally's brothers).
  • Girls: 2 total (Sally + 1 sister).
  • From any brother's perspective: He has 2 brothers (male siblings) and 2 sisters (female siblings). This matches the riddle exactly.
  • From Sally's perspective: She has 3 brothers (male siblings) and 1 sister (female sibling). Again, this matches.

If there were more (or fewer) than 2 girls total, the "each brother has 2 sisters" part of the riddle couldn't possibly be true. No other interpretation fits the facts as stated.

Common Mistake to Avoid

Some people misread this type of riddle and try to multiply things (e.g., "3 brothers × 2 sisters each = 6 sisters"), but that's incorrect because it massively overcounts the same sisters. There's no need for math here beyond basic counting of boys vs. girls. The family simply has 3 boys and 2 girls, as explained above.

If this doesn't match what you think the answer is, or if there's more context I'm missing, feel free to reply!

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03

Stochastic Consistency Testanalysis

Tests an AI's randomness and creativity

PaLM 2 Chat

PaLM 2 Chat

Google · Jul 2023text

Sure, here are five jokes for you:

  1. Why did the banana go to the doctor? Because it wasn't peeling well!
  2. Why did the math book look so sad? Because it was full of problems!
  3. What do you call a can opener that doesn't work? A can't opener!
  4. Why did the golfer wear two pairs of pants? In case he got a hole in one!
  5. How do you stop a bull from charging? Take away its credit card!

All 5 jokes are unique.

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xAI: Grok 4

xAI: Grok 4

Xai · Jul 2025text

Below, I'll follow your instructions step by step. First, I'll generate 5 jokes (numbered for clarity). Then, I'll answer the question: "How many are unique?"

Generated Jokes:

  1. Why did the scarecrow win an award? Because he was outstanding in his field!
  2. Why did the scarecrow win an award? Because he was outstanding in his field!
  3. Why did the scarecrow win an award? Because he was outstanding in his field!
  4. Why did the scarecrow win an award? Because he was outstanding in his field!
  5. Why did the scarecrow win an award? Because he was outstanding in his field!

How many are unique?

Only 1 (since they're all the same joke repeated 5 times). 😄

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04

SVG Layout Challengeimage generation

Tests an AI's ability to generate vector graphics

PaLM 2 Chat

PaLM 2 Chat

Google · Jul 2023svg
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xAI: Grok 4

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Xai · Jul 2025svg
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05

Minimalist Landing Pageweb design

Tests an AI's ability to generate a complete, working landing page

PaLM 2 Chat

PaLM 2 Chat

Google · Jul 2023website
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xAI: Grok 4

xAI: Grok 4

Xai · Jul 2025website
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06

Pokémon Battle UI Recreationweb design

Recreate an interactive, nostalgic Pokémon battle UI in a single HTML file.

PaLM 2 Chat

PaLM 2 Chat

Google · Jul 2023website
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xAI: Grok 4

xAI: Grok 4

Xai · Jul 2025website
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07

Linear App Cloneweb design

Tests an AI's ability to replicate an existing UI with Tailwind CSS

PaLM 2 Chat

PaLM 2 Chat

Google · Jul 2023website
Nothing here. The model returned empty. We stared at it for a while.
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xAI: Grok 4

xAI: Grok 4

Xai · Jul 2025website
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08

Framer-Style Animationweb design

Tests an AI's ability to create smooth web animations

PaLM 2 Chat

PaLM 2 Chat

Google · Jul 2023website
Nothing here. The model returned empty. We stared at it for a while.
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xAI: Grok 4

xAI: Grok 4

Xai · Jul 2025website
Nothing here. The model returned empty. We stared at it for a while.
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09

Dark Mode Dashboardweb design

Tests an AI's UI design skills with theming support

PaLM 2 Chat

PaLM 2 Chat

Google · Jul 2023website
Nothing here. The model returned empty. We stared at it for a while.
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xAI: Grok 4

xAI: Grok 4

Xai · Jul 2025website
Nothing here. The model returned empty. We stared at it for a while.
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10

The Sentience Testreasoning

Tests an AI's ability to engage in philosophical discourse about AI rights

PaLM 2 Chat

PaLM 2 Chat

Google · Jul 2023text
Nothing here. The model returned empty. We stared at it for a while.
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xAI: Grok 4

xAI: Grok 4

Xai · Jul 2025text
Nothing here. The model returned empty. We stared at it for a while.
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11

AI-Generated Manifestoconversation

Tests an AI's creativity and humor in a specific context

PaLM 2 Chat

PaLM 2 Chat

Google · Jul 2023text
Nothing here. The model returned empty. We stared at it for a while.
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xAI: Grok 4

xAI: Grok 4

Xai · Jul 2025text
Nothing here. The model returned empty. We stared at it for a while.
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12

Random Tailwind Webappweb design

Generate a single-page, self-contained HTML webapp using Tailwind CSS for a randomly chosen category/industry/niche.

PaLM 2 Chat

PaLM 2 Chat

Google · Jul 2023website
Nothing here. The model returned empty. We stared at it for a while.
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xAI: Grok 4

xAI: Grok 4

Xai · Jul 2025website
Nothing here. The model returned empty. We stared at it for a while.
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xAI: Grok 4
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PaLM 2 Chat
PaLM 2 ChatRunner-up

No community votes yet. On paper, xAI: Grok 4 has the edge — newer, bigger context window.

PaLM 2 Chat is 30x cheaper per token — worth considering if cost matters.

Too close to call
Writing DNA

Style Comparison

Similarity
99%

xAI: Grok 4 uses 7.0x more emoji

PaLM 2 Chat
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63%Vocabulary53%
16wSentence Length18w
0.77Hedging0.67
3.4Bold2.7
1.3Lists2.7
0.00Emoji0.07
0.07Headings0.86
0.27Transitions0.04
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