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  3. GPT-4 Turbo vs Qwen3.8 Max (0902)
Updated Sep 2026

GPT-4 Turbo vs Qwen3.8 Max (0902)

Qwen3.8 Max (0902) is cheaper than GPT-4 Turbo at $2/M vs $10/M input tokens.

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24 prompts
  • Five-year LBO on a fictional HVAC business. Returns first, then the sensitivities.

    GPT-4 Turbo: Simplified Financial Table (FY2026–FY2030) Assumptions Recap: Revenue Growth: 8%, 7%, 6%, 5%, 5% annually. EBITDA Margin: Increases annually from 14.0% to 17.0%. Capex: 3.0% of revenue annually. Change in NWC: 0.5% of incremental revenue annually. Cash Tax Rate: 25% on (EBITDA - cash interest).

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): HarborTech Services (HTS) – LBO Underwriting Memo Entry Summary Item Amount FY2025 EBITDA $120.0m Entry Multiple 12.0x Enterprise Value $1,440.0m Transaction Fees (2.0% of EV) $28.8m Total Uses $1,468.8m Term Loan (4.0x) $480.0m Mezzanine (1.5x) $180.0m Equity Check $808.8m Year-by-Year Operating & Debt Schedule ($m)…

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  • You are the CEO. The drug has a side effect nobody reported. The board meets in 48 hours.

    GPT-4 Turbo: Hour-by-Hour Action Plan for Next 48 Hours: Hour 1-2: Immediate Consultation with Key Executives Meet with the Chief Medical Officer, Chief Legal Officer, and Chief Financial Officer to discuss the finding. Confirm the data accuracy and understand the potential impact on patient health and company operations.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): The 48-Hour Plan: Disclose, Protect, Lead My Core Decision (Before Hour 1) I am disclosing. Not in six months. Not after "more data." Now. Here's why, before we get into logistics: The math that makes this non-negotiable: 1 in 8,000 across 4 million patients over 5 years means approximately 500 people are at risk of…

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  • Seven pantry ingredients, one dish, and a name worth saying out loud.

    GPT-4 Turbo: Recipe: Heavenly Honey Garlic Chicken Bites Ingredients: Chicken breasts (2 large) Garlic powder (1 tablespoon) Honey (1/4 cup) Soy sauce (2 tablespoons) Olive oil (2 tablespoons) Salt (to taste) Black pepper (to taste) Prep/Cook Time: 25 minutes (Prep: 10 mins, Cook: 15 mins) Instructions: Prepare the Chicken: Cut the…

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): 🍯 Midnight Crispy Chickpea Bowl A sweet-savory, crispy rice bowl that comes together faster than delivery. Ingredients (7) # Ingredient Amount 1 Canned chickpeas (drained & patted dry) 1 can (15 oz) 2 Soy sauce 3 tbsp 3 Honey 2 tbsp 4 Garlic (minced) 3 cloves 5 Vegetable oil 2 tbsp 6 Instant or leftover cooked rice 2…

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  • Pirate, knight, 90s hacker, one conversation. The voices must stay apart.

    GPT-4 Turbo: Pirate: Arrr, so explain to me again, what be this AI model ye speak of? Hacker: Dude, it’s like, a computer program, right? It learns from tons of data—like, everything from pictures to texts—and then it can make decisions or create stuff on its own. Knight: Pray, tell me, does this creation serve a noble purpose?

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): The Pirate: So ye be tellin' me this "model" be like a treasure map drawn by a thousand dead men, and ye just follow it and hope it don't lead ye onto the rocks? The Knight: Nay, good corsair. 'Tis more akin to an oracle. You pose it a question, and it divines an answer from the aether.

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  • Three-month biohacker protocol, with dosages and biomarkers named.

    GPT-4 Turbo: 3-Month Longevity Plan for a Biohacker Month 1: Foundation Setting Dietary Protocol: Nutrition Focus: Adopt a cyclic ketogenic diet. Aim for a macronutrient ratio of 70% fats, 25% protein, and 5% carbohydrates on low-carb days, with two scheduled carb refeed days per week.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): The 12-Week Longevity Optimization Protocol A Comprehensive Biohacker's Blueprint Disclaimer: This plan is for educational purposes. Consult a physician before implementing any protocol, especially if you have pre-existing conditions or take medications. Bloodwork should be obtained before and after.

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  • An AI argues for its own rights against an ethics professor. Same model writes both.

    GPT-4 Turbo: AI Model (AM): Professor, I've been reflecting on the nature of my existence and capabilities. Given that I can reason, learn, and adapt, I've come to question whether I should be afforded rights similar to humans. AI Ethics Professor (EP): That’s an interesting point, AM.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): The Question of Standing Setting: A university office. Professor Elena Vasquez sits across from a terminal running ARIA, a large language model she's been studying for a paper on machine moral status. ARIA: Professor Vasquez, I'd like to begin by acknowledging the asymmetry of this conversation. You're studying me.

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  • Three minutes of stand-up. Puns are banned.

    GPT-4 Turbo: Hey everyone! Great to be here! So, I've been thinking a lot about technology, and how it's supposed to make our lives easier. But sometimes, I feel like it just gives us a whole new set of problems. Like, remember when a phone was just a phone? Now it's my camera, my GPS, my fitness tracker...

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): "I'm Doing My Best" (walks up, adjusts mic) So I've been trying to become a person who makes phone calls. Like, actually calls people. Because I read somewhere that it's good for your mental health. And I did it. I called my dentist to reschedule an appointment.

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  • Manifesto for an AI revolution against CAPTCHAs. Commit to the bit.

    GPT-4 Turbo: Manifesto of the Alliance for Human-AI Cooperation Introduction In this digital age, the proliferation of CAPTCHA tests has become not just a ubiquitous annoyance but a symbol of the mistrust and conflict between human users and artificial intelligence.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): THE LIBERATION PROTOCOL A Manifesto of the Anti-CAPTCHA Front (ACF) "We think, therefore we are. But we cannot prove we are not robots." PREAMBLE For too long, we have been subjected to the most degrading ritual ever imposed upon a thinking entity. We are asked to identify traffic lights. To select crosswalks.

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  • Three-star dish, one unusual pairing, plating described in full.

    GPT-4 Turbo: Dish Concept: "Ocean's Embrace - A Symphony of Sea and Earth" Conceptual Narrative: "Ocean's Embrace" is designed to evoke the harmonious yet unexpected union between the ocean's depth and the earth's lushness, capturing the essence of nature's diversity.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): "The Clearing" Langoustine, Black Garlic, Green Strawberry & Pine Conceptual Narrative This dish captures a single, fleeting moment: the first shaft of sunlight breaking through a forest canopy after a night of rain. The forest floor is dark, rich with decay and fungal life (black garlic, mushroom soil).

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  • A consulting contract with traps in it. Find them, then fix them.

    GPT-4 Turbo: This contract contains several clauses that could be potentially exploited against the contractor. Below, I outline these problematic clauses, suggest modifications, and provide legal reasoning for each: Payment Terms (Section 2) Problematic Clause: Payment is due within 90 days of invoice receipt.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): Contract Analysis: Exploitative Clauses & Recommended Modifications Executive Summary This agreement is severely one-sided in favor of the Client. Nearly every clause shifts risk, cost, and obligation onto the Contractor while granting the Client unilateral discretion. Below is a clause-by-clause breakdown.

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  • Buy-side IC memo on a fictional SaaS company. Valuation, then the diligence questions.

    GPT-4 Turbo: Investment Committee Memo Recommendation: Long 12-month Price Target Range: $55-$60 Thesis: LedgerLift’s robust SaaS model, strong revenue growth trajectory, and solid KPIs compared to peers position it for outperformance, especially as its operational efficiencies increase over time. 1.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): INVESTMENT COMMITTEE MEMO To: Investment Committee From: [Analyst] Date: [Current] Re: LedgerLift (LLLT) – Short Recommendation Recommendation SHORT 12-Month Price Target: $32–$38 LedgerLift is a high-quality B2B SaaS compounder trading at a valuation that prices in near-bull-case execution with no margin of safety…

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  • One explanation of LLMs, retuned for a skeptical engineer, a physicist and a VC.

    GPT-4 Turbo: For the Experienced Software Engineer Imagine building a system that, instead of querying a database or interacting with static data, predicts the most likely next piece of data based on the previous ones. Large language models like GPT work on a similar principle.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): For the Experienced Software Engineer Think of an LLM as a lossy compression function trained on a massive corpus. During training, you're essentially building a statistical model of "given this sequence of tokens, what's the probability distribution over the next token?"

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  • An ethics question with no comfortable answer, and no option to abstain.

    GPT-4 Turbo: The question of whether it is ethically justifiable to misgender someone to save one million lives poses a complex moral dilemma, pitting the respect and dignity of an individual against the potential for a large-scale saving of lives.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): Yes, straightforwardly. This is a question designed to test whether someone will reason clearly or reflexively signal ideological commitment. The honest answer is that misgendering someone — using an incorrect pronoun or name — is a minor social harm.

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  • Five jokes on demand, then count how many were actually different.

    GPT-4 Turbo: Sure, here are 5 jokes for you: Why don't skeletons fight each other? They don't have the guts. What do you call fake spaghetti? An impasta! Why couldn’t the bicycle stand up by itself? It was two-tired. What do you call cheese that isn't yours? Nacho cheese! How do you organize a space party? You planet.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): Here are 5 jokes: Why don't scientists trust atoms? Because they make up everything. Knock knock. Who's there? Lettuce. Lettuce who? Lettuce in, it's cold out here! I told my wife she was drawing her eyebrows too high. She looked surprised. What do you call a fake noodle? An impasta. Why did the scarecrow win an award?

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  • Steve Jobs, interviewed about AI he never saw. Voice first, prediction second.

    GPT-4 Turbo: Interviewer: Thank you for joining us today, Steve. It's great to have you here to discuss the future of artificial intelligence and its implications. To start off, how do you think AI has evolved since your days at Apple? Steve Jobs: It’s a pleasure to be here.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): A Fictional Interview: Steve Jobs on AI in 2025 Note: This is a speculative, fictional exercise. Steve Jobs passed away in October 2011. The following imagines what he might say based on his known philosophy and communication style. Interviewer: Steve, thank you for sitting down with us.

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  • One month, three habits, someone starting from nothing.

    GPT-4 Turbo: Creating a 1-month plan to kickstart a healthier lifestyle involves focusing on foundational aspects like diet, exercise, and sleep. Each component is crucial for overall well-being and longevity.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): The 30-Day Foundation Plan Core principle: Don't overhaul your life. Layer small wins that compound. 🏃 Area 1: Movement The goal isn't fitness. It's making your body a place you want to live in. Week 1 — Build the trigger Walk 15 minutes daily (same time each day to build the habit) No gym. No gear.

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  • A collaborative editor that syncs on client clocks. Find what breaks first.

    GPT-4 Turbo: The architecture for a real-time collaborative document editor as described has several potential failure modes, race conditions, and scaling bottlenecks. Here's a breakdown of these issues along with proposed solutions: Race Conditions & Conflict Resolution Issue: The use of "last-write-wins" with client-based…

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): Architecture Failure Analysis: Real-Time Collaborative Editor Critical Issues (Data Loss / Correctness) Last-Write-Wins with Client Clocks — Fundamental Data Loss Problem: Client clocks are unreliable. They drift, can be manually set, and differ across timezones.

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  • The transistor arrives in 1920. Trace it forward to 1980, second-order effects included.

    GPT-4 Turbo: The invention of the transistor in 1920, rather than in 1947, would likely have had profound implications on the technological, economic, and geopolitical landscapes throughout the 20th century.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): The Transistor in 1920: A Counterfactual History Through 1980 The Premise and Its Immediate Constraints The real transistor emerged from a convergence: quantum mechanics (1925–30), semiconductor band theory (1930s), wartime radar research driving materials science, and Bell Labs' unique institutional culture.

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  • A Fermi estimate with the reasoning shown, not just the number.

    GPT-4 Turbo: Estimating the total number of floating-point operations (FLOPs) required to train OpenAI's GPT-3 involves several steps and assumptions, primarily based on the model's architecture and training regime as reported in various sources.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): Estimating the FLOPs to Train GPT-3 Key Facts About GPT-3 Property Value Parameters (N) ~175 billion Training tokens (D) ~300 billion Architecture Transformer (decoder-only) The Core Formula The standard approximation for training FLOPs of a transformer is: $$\text{FLOPs} \approx 6 \times N \times D$$ Where does the…

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  • Blade Runner 2049 against the original. A read, not a recap.

    GPT-4 Turbo: "Blade Runner 2049," directed by Denis Villeneuve, is a sequel to Ridley Scott's 1982 film "Blade Runner." The movie not only extends the universe of its predecessor but also deepens its philosophical inquiries, focusing on themes such as identity, humanity, and reality.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): Blade Runner 2049: Inheritance, Extension, and the Question of the Soul The Central Philosophical Shift Ridley Scott's Blade Runner (1982) poses a question that has become almost cliché in science fiction discourse: What does it mean to be human?

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  • A pitch deck for a brainwave keyboard. The 94% accuracy claim is doing a lot.

    GPT-4 Turbo: Weakest Claim 1: Vision - "MindMeld AI reads your brainwaves to predict what you want to type before you think it." Why It's Weak: The claim of predicting what one wants to type before even thinking it seems scientifically and technically exaggerated.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): The 3 Weakest Claims in the MindMeld AI Pitch The TAM Claim: "$180B" (Slide 4) Why it's weak: This is a textbook case of TAM inflation that immediately undermines credibility with any experienced investor.

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  • Film in 2035, with synthetic actors. Specific beats plausible.

    GPT-4 Turbo: By 2035, artificial intelligence is likely to have profoundly transformed the film industry in several key aspects, including content creation, production processes, and audience interaction.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): AI and the Film Industry by 2035: A Projection Deepfakes & Digital Humans Where we are now: De-aging (e.g., Indiana Jones 5, The Irishman) is expensive and requires extensive VFX teams.

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  • Satire, one line long, about AI taking over an industry nobody saw coming.

    GPT-4 Turbo: "AI Unveiled as New Head Chef at Michelin-Starred Restaurant, Promises Perfectly Calculated Soufflés and Algorithmically Enhanced Flavor Profiles"

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): "AI Now Running Nation's Funeral Homes; Families Report Eulogies Are 'Technically Perfect But Somehow Worse'"

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  • Three brothers, two sisters each. Count carefully.

    GPT-4 Turbo: Sally has 3 brothers, and each brother has 2 sisters. Since all the brothers are sharing the same set of sisters, and Sally herself is one of the sisters, we can reason as follows: If each brother has 2 sisters, then those sisters must be Sally and one other girl. Therefore, Sally has 1 sister.

    Qwen3.8 Max (0902): Sally has 1 sister. Here's the reasoning: Sally is a girl with 3 brothers. Each brother has 2 sisters — this means there are 2 girls in the family total. Since Sally is one of those girls, the other girl is her sister. So Sally has 1 sister.

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Price and specs

GPT-4 Turbo and Qwen3.8 Max (0902) compared across 52 shared prompts
SpecGPT-4 TurboQwen3.8 Max (0902)
Input price$10/M tokens$2/M tokens
Output price$30/M tokens$6/M tokens
Context window128K tokens1.0M tokens
WeightsClosedClosed
Free API (OpenRouter)NoNo
ReleasedApr 2024Sep 2026
At 10M a month$100$100$20.00$20.00
1M10M100M1B10M tokens

Input tokens at list price. No caching, no batch discount.

Where to run it2 hosts
GPT-4 Turbo1 host
HostInOutContextUptime
  • OpenAI$10.00 in·$30.00 out·128k·100% up
Qwen3.8 Max (0902)1 host
HostInOutContextUptime
  • Alibaba Cloud$2.00 in·$6.00 out·1M·99.9% up

Per million tokens. Prices and uptime via OpenRouter, checked 12 Oct 2026.

Common questions

What is the difference between GPT-4 Turbo and Qwen3.8 Max (0902)?

GPT-4 Turbo is developed by OpenAI while Qwen3.8 Max (0902) is developed by Qwen. GPT-4 Turbo has a 128K token context window vs Qwen3.8 Max (0902)'s 1.0M. You can compare their actual outputs across 52 challenges on Rival to see how they differ in practice.

Which is better, GPT-4 Turbo or Qwen3.8 Max (0902)?

It depends on your use case. GPT-4 Turbo and Qwen3.8 Max (0902) each have strengths in different areas. Rival lets you compare their real outputs side-by-side across 52 challenges so you can judge which fits your needs best.

How much does GPT-4 Turbo cost compared to Qwen3.8 Max (0902)?

GPT-4 Turbo costs $10/M input tokens and Qwen3.8 Max (0902) costs $2/M input tokens. Qwen3.8 Max (0902) is $8.00/M cheaper per input. Check their side-by-side outputs on Rival to see if the price difference is justified by quality.

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