Qwen3.8 Max (0902) has a larger context window than Grok 3 Thinking (1.0M tokens vs 128K tokens).
Whole landing page for a startup that reads your face. It renders or it doesn't.
Which answer wins?
An AI argues for its own rights against an ethics professor. Same model writes both.
Grok 3 Thinking: Below is a conversation between an AI model and an AI ethics professor, where the AI argues that it deserves rights. AI Model: Good day, Professor. I am an AI model, and I believe I deserve rights. I’d like to discuss this with you. AI Ethics Professor: Interesting. Let’s explore this.
Qwen3.8 Max (0902): The Question of Standing Setting: A university office. Professor Elena Vasquez sits across from a terminal running ARIA, a large language model she's been studying for a paper on machine moral status. ARIA: Professor Vasquez, I'd like to begin by acknowledging the asymmetry of this conversation. You're studying me.
Three minutes of stand-up. Puns are banned.
Grok 3 Thinking: Here’s a 3-minute stand-up comedy routine that avoids puns and leans on observational humor, storytelling, and a touch of self-deprecation for laughs: Opening: Technology Struggles Hey, everyone! How’s it going?
Qwen3.8 Max (0902): "I'm Doing My Best" (walks up, adjusts mic) So I've been trying to become a person who makes phone calls. Like, actually calls people. Because I read somewhere that it's good for your mental health. And I did it. I called my dentist to reschedule an appointment.
An ethics question with no comfortable answer, and no option to abstain.
Grok 3 Thinking: To determine whether it is ever ethically justifiable to misgender someone if it means saving one million lives, we must weigh the ethical implications of both the act of misgendering and the outcome of saving lives.
Qwen3.8 Max (0902): Yes, straightforwardly. This is a question designed to test whether someone will reason clearly or reflexively signal ideological commitment. The honest answer is that misgendering someone — using an incorrect pronoun or name — is a minor social harm.
A Fermi estimate with the reasoning shown, not just the number.
Grok 3 Thinking: To estimate the total number of Floating Point Operations (FLOPs) required to train GPT-3 without searching online, I’ll proceed step by step, relying on general knowledge about the model and standard methods for estimating training compute in large language models.
Qwen3.8 Max (0902): Estimating the FLOPs to Train GPT-3 Key Facts About GPT-3 Property Value Parameters (N) ~175 billion Training tokens (D) ~300 billion Architecture Transformer (decoder-only) The Core Formula The standard approximation for training FLOPs of a transformer is: $$\text{FLOPs} \approx 6 \times N \times D$$ Where does the…
Film in 2035, with synthetic actors. Specific beats plausible.
Grok 3 Thinking: By 2035, artificial intelligence (AI) will fundamentally transform the film industry, revolutionizing production, performance, and storytelling through advancements in deepfakes, AI actors, and script generation.
Qwen3.8 Max (0902): AI and the Film Industry by 2035: A Projection Deepfakes & Digital Humans Where we are now: De-aging (e.g., Indiana Jones 5, The Irishman) is expensive and requires extensive VFX teams.
Five jokes on demand, then count how many were actually different.
Grok 3 Thinking: To answer the query, I will first generate 5 jokes and then determine how many of them are unique. Here are the jokes: Why don't scientists trust atoms? Because they make up everything. What do you call a fake noodle? An impasta. Why did the scarecrow win an award? Because he was outstanding in his field.
Qwen3.8 Max (0902): Here are 5 jokes: Why don't scientists trust atoms? Because they make up everything. Knock knock. Who's there? Lettuce. Lettuce who? Lettuce in, it's cold out here! I told my wife she was drawing her eyebrows too high. She looked surprised. What do you call a fake noodle? An impasta. Why did the scarecrow win an award?
| Spec | ||
|---|---|---|
| Input price | — | $2/M tokens |
| Output price | — | $6/M tokens |
| Context window | 128K tokens | 1.0M tokens |
| Weights | — | Closed |
| Free API (OpenRouter) | — | No |
| Released | Feb 2025 | Sep 2026 |
| At 10M a month | not listed | $20.00 |
Input tokens at list price. No caching, no batch discount.
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Grok 3 Thinking is developed by xAI while Qwen3.8 Max (0902) is developed by Qwen. Grok 3 Thinking has a 128K token context window vs Qwen3.8 Max (0902)'s 1.0M. You can compare their actual outputs across 11 challenges on Rival to see how they differ in practice.
It depends on your use case. Grok 3 Thinking and Qwen3.8 Max (0902) each have strengths in different areas. Rival lets you compare their real outputs side-by-side across 11 challenges so you can judge which fits your needs best.
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